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Simple English Wiktionary logo(s)[change]

Hello. I would suggest to upload and update the se.wiktionary logo because the existing logo does not mention the words "Simple English". I'm just wondering why it is like this and any questions about this? Thanks. --~ curtaintoad ~~ talk ~ 08:33, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

As per bug 27044: "It's worth noting, however, that this new logo does not fit the guidelines -- the language name is not supposed to be included in the logo, it's just supposed to say "Wiktionary / the free dictionary".", hence we had to remove the part on "Simple English". Hope this answers your question. --Hydriz (talk) 01:01, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi, all. (I may be becoming slightly more active here again. We'll have to see.) It occurs to me that the logo is supposed to be translated into the particular language of the project. If we wanted to, we could make the words of our logo distinctive by using "word book" instead of dictionary, since that is simpler. "Dictionary" is not found in the BE850, while "word" and "book" are both there. Just my two cents. --Cromwellt|talk|contribs 09:20, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Actually, looking at it again, the logo for the English Wiktionary doesn't fit the guidelines mentioned above either (other than not mentioning the language). It says "A wiki-based Open Content dictionary," not "Wiktionary / the free dictionary." So I guess ours is already different from theirs, if more vanilla. --Cromwellt|talk|contribs 23:50, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments. The logo we used is the original logo that was proposed in the logo voting contest over on Meta, so it uses the word "dictionary". That word might not be considered to be simple, but we also use the same word on the Main Page (with a link to the definition), so I don't really think it is a big problem with using that word in the logo. Of course, I am open to discussions about it, but using "word book" will cause a lot more confusion in my opinion. Cheers.--Hydriz (talk) 06:59, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Recent Changes[change]

Can an admin please fix up the edits I made to this template? I was trying to improve something but got all messy. Thanks. --~ curtaintoad ~~ talk ~ 09:03, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't see any problem with it (other than the header becoming smaller), but it did mess up the Recent Changes itself, your edit to the page was not recorded at all. --Hydriz (talk) 01:04, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Question about search[change]

How come words and definitions that don't exist and/or exist differently from the way they're written here show up in our search? Purplebackpack89 18:03, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Preloaded templates[change]

Any particular reason that you don't get the preloaded templates for creation when you follow/click on a redlink? You get them when a search result turns up a redlink. Purplebackpack89 23:25, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Searchmenu-new appears only in Special:Search's results. When a redlink is followed, it is just a plain link to that page. --Glaisher (talk) 16:45, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Introducting Beta Features[change]

(Apologies for writing in English. Please translate if necessary)

We would like to let you know about Beta Features, a new program from the Wikimedia Foundation that lets you try out new features before they are released for everyone.

Think of it as a digital laboratory where community members can preview upcoming software and give feedback to help improve them. This special preference page lets designers and engineers experiment with new features on a broad scale, but in a way that's not disruptive.

Beta Features is now ready for testing on MediaWiki.org. It will also be released on Wikimedia Commons and MetaWiki this Thursday, 7 November. Based on test results, the plan is to release it on all wikis worldwide on 21 November, 2013.

Here are the first features you can test this week:

Would you like to try out Beta Features now? After you log in on MediaWiki.org, a small 'Beta' link will appear next to your 'Preferences'. Click on it to see features you can test, check the ones you want, then click 'Save'. Learn more on the Beta Features page.

After you've tested Beta Features, please let the developers know what you think on this discussion page -- or report any bugs here on Bugzilla. You're also welcome to join this IRC office hours chat on Friday, 8 November at 18:30 UTC.

Beta Features was developed by the Wikimedia Foundation's Design, Multimedia and VisualEditor teams. Along with other developers, they will be adding new features to this experimental program every few weeks. They are very grateful to all the community members who helped create this project — and look forward to many more productive collaborations in the future.

Enjoy, and don't forget to let developers know what you think! Keegan (WMF) (talk) 20:36, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Distributed via Global message delivery (wrong page? Correct it here), 20:36, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Call for comments on draft trademark policy[change]

Quality of my definition[change]

I would like to know if outstanding and Kenya are good quality definitions. I don't want to go flood the new changes before the community checks my definitions that I have created. Thanks! --Goldenburg111 (talk) 19:00, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello there and welcome, Goldenburg111! Thanks for your good work. Please see my suggested changes to outstanding and Kenya. Just some general pointers:
  • Define words using a complete sentence.
  • Try to make the example sentences in which the word's definition is clear by reading it. For example, in "The speaker gave an outstanding presentation, and everyone stood to applaud him," it is clear that something outstanding must be something laudable.
  • Check out Wiktionary:Sample entry for an easy formatting template.
  • Often times pronunciations can be nabbed from the English Wiktionary.
Your work is excellent - please keep it up! By the way, it is better that you contribute than be cumbered by too many rules. Happy new year, Arbitrarily0 (talk) 19:04, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
What about carefully. I am still fixing it though. --Goldenburg111 (talk) 21:21, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
Can someone look through my contributions every day? --Goldenburg111 (talk) 21:30, 31 December 2013 (UTC)


Just to let everybody know, I submitted a bug report for the search function. I had hoped for a quicker response, but there is probably a big backlog of issues to fix with the new upgrades and such. So in case it eventually slips from my mind, the report is there should anyone feel the need to poke them. Osiris (talk) 04:17, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that, this might be a problem with the Wikimedia cluster itself and it is highly possible that other wikis are also affected. Search isn't my thing so I can't really confirm this though. --Hydriz (talk) 06:24, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment on Commons: Should Wikimedia support MP4 video?[change]

I apologize for this message being only in English. Please translate it if needed to help your community.

The Wikimedia Foundation's multimedia team seeks community guidance on a proposal to support the MP4 video format. This digital video standard is used widely around the world to record, edit and watch videos on mobile phones, desktop computers and home video devices. It is also known as H.264/MPEG-4 or AVC.

Supporting the MP4 format would make it much easier for our users to view and contribute video on Wikipedia and Wikimedia projects -- and video files could be offered in dual formats on our sites, so we could continue to support current open formats (WebM and Ogg Theora).

However, MP4 is a patent-encumbered format, and using a proprietary format would be a departure from our current practice of only supporting open formats on our sites -- even though the licenses appear to have acceptable legal terms, with only a small fee required.

We would appreciate your guidance on whether or not to support MP4. Our Request for Comments presents views both in favor and against MP4 support, based on opinions we’ve heard in our discussions with community and team members.

Please join this RfC -- and share your advice.

All users are welcome to participate, whether you are active on Commons, Wikipedia, other Wikimedia project -- or any site that uses content from our free media repository.

You are also welcome to join tomorrow's Office hours chat on IRC, this Thursday, January 16, at 19:00 UTC, if you would like to discuss this project with our team and other community members.

We look forward to a constructive discussion with you, so we can make a more informed decision together on this important topic. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:46, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Universal Language Selector will be enabled by default again on this wiki by 21 February 2014[change]

On January 21 2014 the MediaWiki extension Universal Language Selector (ULS) was disabled on this wiki. A new preference was added for logged-in users to turn on ULS. This was done to prevent slow loading of pages due to ULS webfonts, a behaviour that had been observed by the Wikimedia Technical Operations team on some wikis.

We are now ready to enable ULS again. The temporary preference to enable ULS will be removed. A new checkbox has been added to the Language Panel to enable/disable font delivery. This will be unchecked by default for this wiki, but can be selected at any time by the users to enable webfonts. This is an interim solution while we improve the feature of webfonts delivery.

You can read the announcement and the development plan for more information. Apologies for writing this message only in English. Thank you. Runa

Amendment to the Terms of Use[change]

Verb template[change]

How do you put in alternate forms of a verb tense? Specifically I'm thinking about the abide page - the past tense could be abided or abode. Haven't yet figured out how to make that work... SandTransformed (talk) 03:36, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Request for Comments: c: link prefix for Wikimedia Commons[change]

There is a cross-wiki discussion in progress as to whether c: should be enabled globally as an interwiki prefix for links to the Wikimedia Commons. As your wiki has a redirect titled beginning with "C:", it will need to be renamed if this proposal gains consensus. Please take a moment to participate in the discussion. Thank you. Scott Martin (talk) 12:21, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Call for project ideas: funding is available for community experiments[change]

IEG key blue.png

I apologize if this message is not in your language. Please help translate it.

Do you have an idea for a project that could improve your community? Individual Engagement Grants from the Wikimedia Foundation help support individuals and small teams to organize experiments for 6 months. You can get funding to try out your idea for online community organizing, outreach, tool-building, or research to help make Wiktionary better. In March, we’re looking for new project proposals.

Examples of past Individual Engagement Grant projects:

Proposals are due by 31 March 2014. There are a number of ways to get involved!

Hope to have your participation,

--Siko Bouterse, Head of Individual Engagement Grants, Wikimedia Foundation 19:44, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Proposed optional changes to Terms of Use amendment[change]

Hello all, in response to some community comments in the discussion on the amendment to the Terms of Use on undisclosed paid editing, we have prepared two optional changes. Please read about these optional changes on Meta wiki and share your comments. If you can (and this is a non english project), please translate this announcement. Thanks! Slaporte (WMF) 21:56, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Changes to the default site typography coming soon[change]

This week, the typography on Wikimedia sites will be updated for all readers and editors who use the default "Vector" skin. This change will involve new serif fonts for some headings, small tweaks to body content fonts, text size, text color, and spacing between elements. The schedule is:

  • April 1st: non-Wikipedia projects will see this change live
  • April 3rd: Wikipedias will see this change live

This change is very similar to the "Typography Update" Beta Feature that has been available on Wikimedia projects since November 2013. After several rounds of testing and with feedback from the community, this Beta Feature will be disabled and successful aspects enabled in the default site appearance. Users who are logged in may still choose to use another skin, or alter their personal CSS, if they prefer a different appearance. Local common CSS styles will also apply as normal, for issues with local styles and scripts that impact all users.

For more information:

-- Steven Walling (Product Manager) on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation's User Experience Design team

Pronunciation Recording[change]

Visual workflow draft for pronunciation recording gadget; If you have trouble watching this video here, watch it on vimeo. A more extensive/explanative version is available.

Dear Wiktionary community!

About me
My name is Rainer Rillke, and I have been volunteering at Wikimedia Commons for 3 years now, gathering experience around media files. I've been always interested in how things work and how one could improve them.
The idea
One idea that appeared last Summer was allowing the recording of small chunks of speech, uploading that to Wikimedia Commons in the background and including this into a Wiktionary entry without having the hassle doing everything by hand or installing additional software. That idea led to the foundation of MediaWiki extension PronunciationRecording during the Google Summer of Code. However, this was not completed; instead development is stale for over 5 months now.
My proposal
To make this going to work, so Wiktionary has an immediate benefit of this feature, I would like to provide the work done so far as a gadget and add some more work in regard to usability. You can see my plan at m:Grants:IEG/Finish Pronunciation Recording. And more importantly, you can give me a hand, if you are interested by writing your comments.

Thanks and kind regards --Rillke (talk) 17:26, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

This message was delivered based on commons:User:Rillke/gmd/prg. Translation fetched from: commons:User:Rillke/prg/en -- Rillke(q?) 17:42, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Using only UploadWizard for uploads[change]

Wikimedia Commons logo

Hello! It was noted that on this wiki you have less than 10 local files. Presumably, you therefore don't have interest nor energies to have hundreds templates with the now required HTML, even less a local EDP. However, this means that users here will experience a mostly broken and/or illegal uploading. I propose to

so that you can avoid local maintenance and all users can have a functioning, easy upload interface in their own language. All registered users can upload on Commons and existing files will not be affected.

I'll get this done in one week from now.

  1. If you disagree with the proposal, just remove your wiki from the list.
  2. To make the UploadWizard even better, please tell your experience and ideas on commons:Commons:Upload Wizard feedback.

Nemo 20:38, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Media Viewer[change]

Greetings, my apologies for writing in English.

I wanted to let you know that Media Viewer will be released to this wiki in the coming weeks. Media Viewer allows readers of Wikimedia projects to have an enhanced view of files without having to visit the file page, but with more detail than a thumbnail. You can try Media Viewer out now by turning it on in your Beta Features. If you do not enjoy Media Viewer or if it interferes with your work after it is turned on you will be able to disable Media Viewer as well in your preferences. I invite you to share what you think about Media Viewer and how it can be made better in the future.

Thank you for your time. - Keegan (WMF) 21:29, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

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Media Viewer is now live on this wiki[change]

Media Viewer lets you see images in larger size


The Wikimedia Foundation's Multimedia team is happy to announce that Media Viewer was just released on this site today.

Media Viewer displays images in larger size when you click on their thumbnails, to provide a better viewing experience. Users can now view images faster and more clearly, without having to jump to separate pages — and its user interface is more intuitive, offering easy access to full-resolution images and information, with links to the file repository for editing. The tool has been tested extensively across all Wikimedia wikis over the past six months as a Beta Feature and has been released to the largest Wikipedias, all language Wikisources, and the English Wikivoyage already.

If you do not like this feature, you can easily turn it off by clicking on "Disable Media Viewer" at the bottom of the screen, pulling up the information panel (or in your your preferences) whether you have an account or not. Learn more in this Media Viewer Help page.

Please let us know if you have any questions or comments about Media Viewer. You are invited to share your feedback in this discussion on MediaWiki.org in any language, to help improve this feature. You are also welcome to take this quick survey in English, en français, o español.

We hope you enjoy Media Viewer. Many thanks to all the community members who helped make it possible. - Fabrice Florin (WMF) (talk) 21:54, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

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Letter petitioning WMF to reverse recent decisions[change]

The Wikimedia Foundation recently created a new feature, "superprotect" status. The purpose is to prevent pages from being edited by elected administrators -- but permitting WMF staff to edit them. It has been put to use in only one case: to protect the deployment of the Media Viewer software on German Wikipedia, in defiance of a clear decision of that community to disable the feature by default, unless users decide to enable it.

If you oppose these actions, please add your name to this letter. If you know non-Wikimedians who support our vision for the free sharing of knowledge, and would like to add their names to the list, please ask them to sign an identical version of the letter on change.org.

-- JurgenNL (talk) 17:35, 21 August 2014 (UTC)