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Tech News: 2020-38[change]

16:19, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-39[change]

21:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-40[change]

21:24, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Wiki of functions naming contest[change]

21:16, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Determiner templates[change]

I'm trying to provide more information about determiners, but it's getting a little unwieldy. I would like to mark the following information:

  • Definite or indefinite
  • Countability & number
    • Only with count singular nouns (a ball)
    • Only with plural nouns (those balls/glasses)
    • Only with countable plural nouns (many balls)
    • Only with uncountable singular nouns (little information)
    • With any nouns (no ball/balls/information/glasses)

I'm not totally sure that no other combinations exist (e.g., only uncountable; only uncountable plural), but I think that covers the existing cases. Please, offer your suggestions on how to implement this without too much stuff before the definition.--Brett (talk) 15:42, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Implement as in? --Minorax (talk) 16:06, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
As in produce a workable system of context labels that isn't too cluttered and produces useful categories.--Brett (talk) 12:36, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
I think that singular and plural nouns should be categorized separately, with countable & uncountable nouns as a sub-category. --Minorax (talk) 03:55, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Like "1. (indefinite) (singular) (countable). A is used when the following noun could be any of a certain type."
  • Only with count singular nouns (a ball) (singular) (countable)
  • Only with plural nouns (those balls/glasses) (plural)
  • Only with countable plural nouns (many balls) (plural) (countable)
  • Only with uncountable singular nouns (little information) (singular) (uncountable)
  • With any nouns (no ball/balls/information/glasses)
--Brett (talk) 19:58, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
@Brett: So basically a template(s) to include several parameters? --Minorax (talk)
@Minorax: That's what I'm wondering about. The example for a above seems cumbersome.
BTW, do you pronounce your username "minor ax"?--Brett (talk) 15:00, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
@Brett: I'll see what I can do about the templates. As for my username, it's mi-no-rax. --Minorax (talk) 14:52, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
@Brett: Take a look at Template:singular/sandbox, it defaults with only (singular), and the template can take up to 2 additional parameters. {{singular/sandbox|indefinite|countable}} will show (singular) (indefinite) (countable) . Categorisation can be done at a later point when the templates are up and running. --Minorax (talk) 05:38, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

@Minorax:Thank you for this! It clarified some ideas for me. I think it's more intuitive to call it something like "det", since it applies to determiners. Every determiner is going to mark an NP as definite or indefinite, so I'd start with that in linear order. Most determiners are indefinite, making that the logical default, but it's a binary choice. Then there's number, which I'd put second. Some, like the are indiscriminate, marking singular, plural, countable, and uncountable, so it would potentially have five lables, which seems too much. Others, like a, are really picky, marking only singular countable NPs. I think the best say to deal with number is a 3-way choice between "singular", "plural", and "singular & plural". Similarly, we could have a 3-way choice between "count", "non-count", and "count & non-count".--Brett (talk) 11:58, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

@Brett: See Template:det, decided to go with the singular, plural option since it's simpler for readers to understand. The template defaults to indefinite with s, p & sp parameters. See table below for examples. --Minorax (talk) 12:29, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

TABLE REMOVED--Brett (talk) 17:54, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I'd like to mark BOTH singular/plural AND count/non-count. Also, why "b"?--Brett (talk) 13:27, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
Ah ok. b = base template, can be changed to something more suitable. --Minorax (talk) 13:35, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
Updated, see above. --Minorax (talk) 13:38, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
I mean both s/p/sp and c/n/cn at the same time.--Brett (talk) 20:34, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
@Brett: Updated, see above. Only s/p/sp/c/n/cn are accepted parameters. If other letters are entered, invalid parameter will appear. --Minorax (talk) 04:46, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! This is very useful. What do you think about the visual results at the?--Brett (talk) 10:52, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Looks great. Can you list out the categories each parameter is suppose to link to? --Minorax (talk) 13:24, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
  1. {{det|b=definite}}: Category:Definite determiners
  2. {{det}}: Category:Indefinite determiners
  3. {{det|s}}: Category:Singular determiners
  4. {{det|p}}: Category:Plural determiners
  5. {{det|sp}}: Category:Plural determiners & Category:Singular determiners
  6. {{det|c}}: Category:Singular determiners
  7. {{det|n}}: Category:Plural determiners
  8. {{det|cn}}: <Category:Plural determiners & Category:Singular determiners--Brett (talk) 13:50, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
@Brett: Done, should be fine now. --Minorax (talk) 14:27, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Actually, should c & n be linked to Category:Count determiners and Category:Non-count determiners respectively? --Minorax (talk) 14:32, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-41[change]

16:25, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Call for feedback about Wikimedia Foundation Bylaws changes and Board candidate rubric[change]

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Today the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees starts two calls for feedback. One is about changes to the Bylaws mainly to increase the Board size from 10 to 16 members. The other one is about a trustee candidate rubric to introduce new, more effective ways to evaluate new Board candidates. The Board welcomes your comments through 26 October. For more details, check the full announcement.

Thank you! Qgil-WMF (talk) 17:11, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-42[change]

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Tech News: 2020-43[change]

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Important: maintenance operation on October 27[change]

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Important: maintenance operation on October 27[change]

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Tech News: 2020-44[change]

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Tech News: 2020-45[change]

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Wiki of functions naming contest - Round 2[change]

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Tech News: 2020-46[change]

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Tech News: 2020-47[change]

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Community Wishlist Survey 2021[change]

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Tech News: 2020-48[change]

17:19, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Global bot policy proposal: invitation to a Meta discussion[change]

Wikidata descriptions changes to be included more often in Recent Changes and Watchlist[change]

Tech News: 2020-49[change]

17:45, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

2020 Coolest Tool Award Ceremony on December 11th[change]

Tech News: 2020-50[change]

16:15, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Community Wishlist Survey 2021[change]

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Tech News: 2020-51[change]

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Formation of grammatically words with the sentences[change]

I don't know connect to the words. I'll never contacted words according to the grammatical rules. Which will always hard able for mine. It is very important to me. So that I want to improve my English language well.

Tech News: 2020-52[change]

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Tech News: 2021-02[change]

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Blocked Message[change]

What message will you get if you’re blocked from changing this wiki? 2603:8000:EA43:F8F5:97D:B098:1919:8DCE (talk) 15:23, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

See MediaWiki:Blockedtext. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 18:51, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-03[change]

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Tech News: 2021-04[change]

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Moving Wikimania 2021 to a Virtual Event[change]

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Wikimania will be a virtual event this year, and hosted by a wide group of community members. Whenever the next in-person large gathering is possible again, the ESEAP Core Organizing Team will be in charge of it. Stay tuned for more information about how you can get involved in the planning process and other aspects of the event. Please read the longer version of this announcement on wikimedia-l.

ESEAP Core Organizing Team, Wikimania Steering Committee, Wikimedia Foundation Events Team, 15:16, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Project Grant Open Call[change]

This is the announcement for the Project Grants program open call that started on January 11, with the submission deadline of February 10, 2021.
This first open call will be focussed on Community Organizing proposals. A second open call focused on research and software proposals is scheduled from February 15 with a submission deadline of March 16, 2021.

For the Round 1 open call, we invite you to propose grant applications that fall under community development and organizing (offline and online) categories. Project Grant funds are available to support individuals, groups, and organizations to implement new experiments and proven ideas, from organizing a better process on your wiki, coordinating a campaign or editathon series to providing other support for community building. We offer the following resources to help you plan your project and complete a grant proposal:

Program officers are also available to offer individualized proposal support upon request. Contact us if you would like feedback or more information.

We are excited to see your grant ideas that will support our community and make an impact on the future of Wikimedia projects. Put your idea into motion, and submit your proposal by February 10, 2021!

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Tech News: 2021-05[change]

22:38, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Folklore 2021 is back![change]

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You are humbly invited to participate in the Wiki Loves Folklore 2021 an international photography contest organized on Wikimedia Commons to document folklore and intangible cultural heritage from different regions, including, folk creative activities and many more. It is held every year from the 1st till the 28th of February.

You can help in enriching the folklore documentation on Commons from your region by taking photos, audios, videos, and submitting them in this commons contest.

Please support us in translating the project page and a banner message to help us spread the word in your native language.

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Tech News: 2021-06[change]

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Tech News: 2021-07[change]

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Tech News: 2021-08[change]

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