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Bot flag request: DerbethBot[change]

I would like to request a bot flag for DerbethBot. The bot adds audio files here and on several other wikis. --Derbeth talk 22:05, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes check.svgY Done - flag added. -Barras (talk) 15:33, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. --Derbeth talk 19:25, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Bot Flag Request: Gyroidbot[change]

Hi. Would I be able to get a bot flag for Gyroidbot?

I used it with some success at de.wiktionary.org about a year ago and would like to try it here. It fixes minor formatting mistakes. The code used for the bot is at www.github.com/benreynwar/wiktionary-parser.

It doesn't do any fully-automated changes, rather makes a list of suggested changes from the xml dump, which I then approve or disapprove manually before the bot makes the changes. So the risk of a major mess-up is small.

I'll also post a list of the specific formatting changes it will make here before I set it going. Examples of things it might change are:

replace {{adj}} template with {{adjective}}

replace {{irrnoun}} template with {{noun}}

Cheers, -Gyroidben (talk) 20:20, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Can you please make some test edits. Might be useful to see how it works. -Barras (talk) 13:23, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Sure. I'll be going very slowly at first anyway while I get the parser working with the conventions here. I'll keep the number of changes down in the tens. -Gyroidben (talk) 20:10, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
I ran a very short run making two sets of changes. See User:Gyroidbot/Log. They were:
  • Replacing irrnoun template by noun. It seems to me that the irrnoun template is redundant but I won't run a full botrun unless you guys agree.
  • Moving level 2 headings to level 3 where they are not word forms (e.g. not Noun, Adjective etc). That change set was a failure and I had to either revert or make manual changes to each entry the bot modified. Basically, when there are several forms (e.g. both Noun and Verb) there is often another level 2 heading for "Usage" or something similar. This sometimes applies to all of the forms, and sometimes to only one. Is the convention that a level 2 heading is used if the usage applies to all forms?
Cheers, -Gyroidben (talk) 18:13, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
This bot looks rather steady to me, but I am probably not in the authority to flag your bot. --Hydriz (talk) 14:15, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

List of typos in headlines[change]

Hi, here is a list of ~25 typos that my script found while parsing the XML dump of the Simple Wiktionary: User:FactLoop/ToDo. I don't have time to fix, so I'm leaving it to you. FactLoop (talk) 20:58, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes check.svgY Done Thank you! Hydriz (talk) 08:30, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

BNC1HW Template[change]

I understand the basic purpose for this template but I don't understand the details. e.g. the entry for 'God' contains the template {{BNC1HW|go|good}}. What is with 'go' and 'good'? Is this correct or an error? Similarly the page for 'young' contains {{BNC1HW|you}}. -Gyroidben (talk) 20:07, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I get it now. They're the words on either side in the alphabetical list. -Gyroidben (talk) 20:35, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Call for image filter referendum[change]

The Wikimedia Foundation, at the direction of the Board of Trustees, will be holding a vote to determine whether members of the community support the creation and usage of an opt-in personal image filter, which would allow readers to voluntarily screen particular types of images strictly for their own account.

Further details and educational materials will be available shortly. The referendum is scheduled for 12-27 August, 2011, and will be conducted on servers hosted by a neutral third party. Referendum details, officials, voting requirements, and supporting materials will be posted at Meta:Image filter referendum shortly.

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This wiki has become stagnant[change]

I'm rather disappointed that all the active users on this wiki appear to have left to other projects. There hasn't been a new entry for over a week and I'm afraid the simple-haters will use it as a reason to put the project up for closure again. Please, let's get this project rolling again ! I'm going to make some new entries today, I hope everyone else follows suit. We can make this an exemplary project Tempodivalse [talk] 16:26, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Heh, says the one who only appears one or two times a months and made only about 10 edits during the last three months. Could be a real life, which other users may have too. Funny, eh? Sorry, for this unkind reply, but this is just more annoying than anything else. -Barras (talk) 23:01, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Well, sorry if it seems irksome. I just haven't seen the project be so ... deserted for a long time and I'm afraid it's not going to be repopulated. I am planning to be more active here. Tempodivalse [talk] 23:31, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Rather than adding a bunch of mediocre new pages, how about sprucing up the basic words we already have, I've covered the BNC1 alphabetically from A to clean, and I'm working on clear. Have a look at some of those, and then consider getting started with the ds.--Brett (talk) 02:13, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Interesting idea! I will get started on that. Tempodivalse [talk] 02:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Yes, if possible, try to reach our unofficial target for this year in reaching 18,000 entries (stated in the community portal). --Hydriz (talk) 15:06, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
A lot of projects for kids early or late get stagnant, I write on Wikieducator, and this project is usefull for my work there. --Penarc (talk) 22:22, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


I propose replacing the content of MediaWiki:Nstab-main with the following:

{{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}|Main Page|Main Page|Page}}

 Hazard-SJ  ±  02:54, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Mediawiki 1.18 supports a MediaWiki:Mainpage-nstab for the main page, and its probably coming out soon (the "projected deployment date" is actually today, but I assume that's not correct), so... --Yair rand (talk) 05:48, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
It still can be updated until then.  Hazard-SJ  ±  22:50, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
MediaWiki 1.18 would be deployed to this wiki on 21 September 2011, as part of the stage 2 deployment of 1.18wmf1. --Hydriz (talk) 08:22, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
1.18 is deployed. MediaWiki:Mainpage-nstab could be changed... --Yair rand (talk) 00:58, 23 September 2011 (UTC)


Is there any way to the see feedback if we get any? The Toolserver link doesn't work anymore. Does someone know how to fix this? -Barras (talk) 13:16, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

That is quite a problem, but it would not really be a blocker as that page isn't really viewed in my opinion. Maybe we can disable the link for now if really necessary. We also would need to inform the user behind the account of "andrew" to get him to renew his Toolserver account. --Hydriz (talk) 14:05, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
  • I got the tool working again, now under a new link here. -Barras (talk) 09:26, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Formatting question[change]

Hi all. I keep forgetting: in the example sentence of pages, are we to add links, or to keep it without links? For example:

  • This is an interesting example sentence.
  • This is an interesting example sentence.

Some pages add links here, some done not. Is there a preferred format? Arbitrarily0 (talk) 15:39, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

There should only be links in examples when the word is really really hard to understand, complex and/or quite unusual in use. -Barras (talk) 16:08, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Agreed, in which case the example should probably be replaced anyhow, unless the very difficult word is strongly collocated with the headword.--Brett (talk) 11:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Alright, sounds good. Thanks, Arbitrarily0 (talk) 22:22, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


Hi all. As per the vote we've had long time ago, it was decided to update the logo here. I just remembered this because I stumbled across the Lithuanian Wiktionary (lt), which already uses this new logo. Since I've no clue how to fix this, is there someone how knows the how-to and is willing to change everything needed? -Barras (talk) 11:24, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I think it involves changing File:Wiki.png. (I was wondering how long it would be before someone remembered that the logo needed changing...) Tempodivalse [talk] 14:49, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Exactly, and Pml already tried it, but failed. This is why I asked if someone else does know the how-to. -Barras (talk) 17:02, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
A sysadmin can go into $wgLogo in LocalSettings.php and set a new image. There's probably a better way, but I don't know it. Uploading a new image should work. (Ask on #wiktionary? The en.wikt admins had fun playing with the logo on April 1.) Tempodivalse [talk] 17:16, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
From the information that I got, we are supposed to change the site logo using File:Wiki.png and then purge the page using the ?action=purge URL parameter to get the new site logo. The logo would be using the default one designed by the "winner" of the logo competition held on Meta a while ago, but scaled to 135x135px. --Hydriz (talk) 14:08, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Failed? How come? What was the error?  Hazard-SJ  ±  22:48, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
I think this is a issue with the software. A similar thing happened before in Commons, one example using the file's revision history, but I think they'd fixed it by now. —stay (sic)! 11:51, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Sigh, the new logo looks rather unattractive :[ I might have to replace it in my .css with something that I can see clearly. Tempodivalse [talk] 15:44, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Just a note for the community: Apparently, there seems to be a caching issue with our logo and some people might not get the logo displayed correctly on the sidebar (i.e. Still displaying the old version). To fix this, click here and press Ctrl + F5 to refresh the page with the new logo. Hope this helps for desperate people. :P --Hydriz (talk) 10:52, 28 September 2011 (UTC)


I have been wondering if the administrators are going to use the AbuseFilter extension to prevent anonymous users from vandalising? I personally wouldn't agree implementing it, as it might fail and break the wiki. Thoughts? --Hydriz (talk) 07:48, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't think we have enough abuse to worry about.--Brett (talk) 11:37, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Currently, I don't see the need for this. -Barras (talk) 17:42, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
No need. In general, do we even reach 30 edits per day? No, so that is just additional distraction. I proposed its implementation on the Simple English Wikipedia some time ago after a major vandal attack, because the wiki is active enough and has a moderate amount of vandalism for its size.  Hazard-SJ  ±  16:16, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
I see you guys opposed to implementing it, which is good, as it would probably discourage some new users from editing the site. --Hydriz (talk) 02:02, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
The abuse filter isn't needed here. On small wikis, it has too many false positives to make it a suitable antivandalism feature, and it's just another thing to take care of. I'd prefer it if people focussed more on content for now. Tempodivalse [talk] 15:45, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

MediaWiki 1.18 deployment[change]

MediaWiki is scheduled to be upgraded on this wiki Wednesday, September 21, 23:00-03:00 UTC. As you may know, MediaWiki is the wiki software developed by the Wikimedia community, and 1.18 is the upcoming version of the software that has been in development since December. More details about this upgrade can be found on the MediaWiki 1.18 announcement on blog.wikimedia.org. We don't anticipate any problems, but if you do encounter any, please see the blog post for more information on how to report problems. Since this wiki will be one of the first to get the software, we're particularly interested in your experience with it. Thanks! -- mw:User:RobLa-WMF (local user page) 22:37, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

BTW it has been deployed to test2.wikipedia.org as part of the Stage 1 deployment. --Hydriz (talk) 06:46, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Will there be any noticeable changes to the software or the user interface? —stay (sic)! 02:21, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
AFAIK There shouldn't be much changes for us (this wiki), though the major changes include better Gender support, better RTL support and image rotation. There may be more, but I have not really read the release notes for 1.18 yet... --Hydriz (talk) 06:51, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
It is mostly small changes. The the MediaWiki 1.18 announcement on blog.wikimedia.org has more. And, we've just deployed 1.18 to this wiki, so you can see for yourself  :) -- RobLa-WMF (talk) 01:54, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
I see some small differences, for instance, the external links change colour after you click them. Doesn't seem to be any technical problems. Tempodivalse [talk] 15:46, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Broken scripts[change]

I wonder if any of the editors on Simple English Wiktionary have noticed it (or maybe it is just me), that some of our user scripts are broken (uncaught exception errors, etc). These scripts do not affect how the wiki works, but it does makes some tasks harder to be done.

Firstly, the Twinkle script, a tool that reverts vandalism, seems to be broken since the 1.18 deployment. No links appear at the top of every edit diff to allow us to revert vandalism.

Secondly, the creation script that helps to automatically populate the content of new plural pages also broke. It doesn't work totally when I am logged in, but it works perfectly well when logged off.

Anyone in the community able to fix this issue? Thanks. --Hydriz (talk) 11:37, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

I've also noticed that my customized buttons from my monobook and/or my vector no longer work either (I forget which one was the active one). Can anyone help with that too, please? · Tygrrr... 15:48, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
I have managed to fix up the creation script. Either the admins could help by modifying MediaWiki:Common.js to point to User:Hydriz/creation.js, or users could disable the script in your preferences (Gadgets tab) and enable the modified version by adding importScript('User:Hydriz/creation.js'); into your Special:MyPage/skin.js. --Hydriz (talk) 09:06, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
I have not had any trouble with the plural creation script. Am I the only one not experiencing this issue? Those who are having problems: what is wrong with it? · Tygrrr... 18:33, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
I am wondering it myself. When I am logged in, there seems to be an uncaught exception in the Javascript code. But it works on en.wikt using the same code. The amazing thing is that the script works perfectly when I am logged out. Maybe due to the broken Twinkle that is affecting this? --Hydriz (talk) 01:34, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Pakistan/Kashmir POV edits[change]

Hi Wiktionary! I have used my global sysop flag to delete two categories made by this user and have also blocked them here for 6 months. Early Thursday morning the edits started on simplewiki, enwiki and simplewikt, so I have also used steward to globally block the IP for a little while. Regards, fr33kman t - c 00:49, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Fr33kman! Tempodivalse [talk] 00:58, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the notice. I already made a post about this some time ago on WT:AN. -Barras (talk) 18:14, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Terms of Use update[change]

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pls elaborate for me the meaning of grudge This unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) .

A grudge is when you don't like something or somebody, and the feeling won't go away.

For example: "He broke my lawnmower a long time ago, but I still hold a grudge"

If you want more explanation, just ask149.254.217.248 (talk) 09:17, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

No plural etc. categories[change]

Tempodivalse has just replied to a year old question. The question is whether it's better to have Category:Plural needed etc. I think it should go in {{noun}} and {{verb}}. πr2 (talk • changes) 05:13, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Actually, {{creatable}} is the right place. πr2 (talk • changes) 05:14, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Reject people asking for rollback because they have it somewhere else[change]

I think it is time that we need to settle this "dispute". Seeing the request for permissions page, many users have been asking for the rollback rights just because he/she has it somewhere else. Shouldn't we make a rule against that? --Hydriz (talk) 13:16, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't edit here much and I don't think what I say accounts for much, but no. The simple English Wiktionary is quite a small project and from what I've seen (correct me if I'm wrong) there's less than 10 active editors. In my own opinion, I think we should give rollback to anyone with rollback on another project that is willing to help out and revert vandalism here as well. The Simple English Wikipedia is much larger than this project and the same rules apply there. Orashmatash (talk) 18:02, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Then why not just use the undo tool available? I understand that this wiki is a small project, but we do have many RC patrollers on IRC (#cvn-simplewikis) to monitor vandalism. Global rollbackers can help too, so I don't really understand any need for people to "stop by" and ask for rollback before leaving this place totally. At least make 10 undos before asking? --Hydriz (talk) 10:04, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
Note: changes on this wiki are also in #cvn-sw, where the wiki is monitored by CVNBot7. πr2 (talk • changes) 12:59, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Wiktionary:List of Wiktionarians by number of changes[change]

Page is broken. With its weekly edit last week, a bot hid the list. He then failed to make the weekly edit on the 28th. Please fix Purplebackpack89 (talk) 06:14, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

It did that globally. I was in #cvn-sw and it did that to many wikis including simple.wikipedia. πr2 (talk • changes) 21:37, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
Do you think that's a glitch? Not sure why it'd blank all those pages... Orashmatash (talk) 19:06, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Whatever it is, it needs to get fixed Purplebackpack89 (talk) 22:51, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
I'll try Meta and see if someone's already brought it up. Orashmatash (talk) 14:34, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Still broken Purplebackpack89 (talk) 14:48, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
See w:WP:Simple talk/Archive 96#Strange bot behaviour. Malfunction? for the answer. --Orashmatash (talk) 19:40, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
This page has recently been re-enabled. --Hydriz (talk) 13:22, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


What should we do about the word "kneeled". It's another form of the past tense of "kneel", listed on dictionary.com and EN Wiktionary. How should we place it here? Tofutwitch11 (talk) 18:25, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Articles from the Simple English Wikipedia[change]

I just noticed, going through some articles this evening, that there are a few articles which could be used as Wiktionary entries here. I was just wondering whether anyone would like to check them out. Regards, Yottie (talk) 00:53, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Long time ago, I imported many articles from that category... but haven't done this for quite some time and should do it again. -Barras (talk) 11:17, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
Cool, good to know about this. I will try to import a few every so often. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 00:55, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Open Call for 2012 Wikimedia Fellowship Applicants[change]

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