Wiktionary:Simple talk/Archive 26

Simple English wikis: the als.wiki solution

This is the only Simple English WMF project remaining, other than simple.wiki. The Simple Wikibooks and Simple Wikiquote were closed for the same spurious so-called "reasons" (read: excuses) used multiple times by people trying (and failing) to get the Simple Wikipedia and Simple Wiktionary closed. There is an unofficial Simple English Wikinews, but that's stuck on Wikia (IncubatorPlus). There is also a proposal on Meta for a Simple Wikiversity, but anti-Simple-English Wikimedians are spamming "oppose" !votes. wikipedia:als: (soon to be renamed gsw.wiki) moved all of their sister projects to namespaces on the Wikipedia site around 2007, and now has almost the full suite of sister projects (except for Wikiversity) intregated into one wiki. This should be done with simple.wikipedia; simplified versions of the English Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikibooks, Wikiquote, Wikinews, and Wikiversity all on one MediaWiki installation. KATMAKROFAN (talk) 02:58, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

KATMAKROFAN: Interesting idea. Might you be able to re-post this to the Simple English Wikipedia's Simple Talk? Here, the discussion can't gain much consensus. Thanks, Zhangj1079 (talk) 22:40, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

@KATMAKROFAN: I didn't see you bring it up at w:simple:Wikipedia:Simple talk--was that deliberate or an oversite? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:51, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Data dump

Hello, Could you please tell me where I can find the data dump for download for the simple wiktionary?

https://simple.wiktionary.org/wiki/review

I tried, but could no locate it here: https://dumps.wikimedia.org/enwiktionary/latest/

Thanks. —This unsigned comment was added by Simone40love (talk • contribs) 03:05, 25 October 2017.

https://dumps.wikimedia.org/simplewiktionary/latest/ --Brett (talk) 10:39, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

New print to pdf feature for mobile web readers

New print to pdf feature for mobile web readers

The Readers web team will be deploying a new feature this week to make it easier to download PDF versions of articles on the mobile website.

Providing better offline functionality was one of the highlighted areas from the research done by the New Readers team in Mexico, Nigeria, and India. The teams created a prototype for mobile PDFs which was evaluated by user research and community feedback. The prototype evaluation received positive feedback and results, so development continued.

For the initial deployment, the feature will be available to Google Chrome browsers on Android. Support for other mobile browsers to come in the future. For Chrome, the feature will use the native Android print functionality. Users can choose to download a webpage as a PDF. Mobile print styles will be used for these PDFs to ensure optimal readability for smaller screens.

The feature is available starting Wednesday, Nov 15. For more information, see the project page on MediaWiki.org.

Thank you!

CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 22:07, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Changes to the global ban policy

Following copied in manually from Ladino Wikipedia's version of this page because evidently delivery failed here. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:24, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Hello. Some changes to the community global ban policy have been proposed. Your comments are welcome at m:Requests for comment/Improvement of global ban policy. Please translate this message to your language, if needed. Cordially. Matiia (Matiia) 00:34 12 Novembris 2017 (UTC)

about communication skills

how to improve communication skills

Do you want to learn how to communicate better in English? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:13, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Tell us what you think about the automatic links for Wiktionary

Hello all,

(Sorry for writing in English. Feel free to translate this message below.)

One year ago, the Wikidata team started deploying new automatic interwiki links for Wiktionaries. Today, the links for the main namespace are automatically displayed by a Mediawiki extension, and the links for other namespaces are stored in Wikidata. You can find the documentation here (feel free to help translating it in your language).

We would like to know if you encountered problems with the system, if you would have suggestions for further improvements. This could be for example:

• Some automatic links don’t work as expected
• Some problems you encountered with entering links (for non-main namespace) in Wikidata
• Some new features you’d like to have, related to links

To give feedback, you have two options:

• Let a message on this talk page
• Let a message here. If you do so, please mention me with the {{ping}} template, so I can get a notification.

Our preferred languages are English, French and German, but you can also let a message in your own language if you feel more comfortable with it.

I’m looking forward for your feedback! Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 10:23, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

AdvancedSearch

From May 8, AdvancedSearch will be available as a beta feature in your wiki. The feature enhances the search page through an advanced parameters form and aims to make existing search options more visible and accessible for everyone. AdvancedSearch is a project by WMDE Technical Wishes. Everyone is invited to test the feature and we hope that it will serve you well in your work!

Birgit Müller (WMDE) 14:53, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Lexicographical data is now available on Wikidata

Hello,

Sorry for writing in English. Feel free to translate the content of this message below.

After several years discussing about it, and one year of development and discussion with the communities, the development team of Wikimedia Germany has now released the first version of lexicographical data support on Wikidata.

Since the start of Wikidata in 2012, the multilingual knowledge base was mainly focused on concepts: Q-items are related to a thing or an idea, not to the word describing it. Starting now, Wikidata stores a new type of data: words, phrases and sentences, in many languages, described in many languages. This information will be stored in new types of entities, called Lexemes, Forms and Senses.

The goal of lexicographical data on Wikidata is to provide a structured and machine-readable way to describe words and phrases in multiple languages, stored in a same place, reusable under CC-0. In the near future, this data will be available for Wiktionaries and other projects to reuse, as much as you want to.

For now, we’re at the first steps of this project: the new data structure has been released on Wikidata, and we’re looking for people to try it, and give us feedback on what is working or not. Participating to this project is the opportunity for you to have a voice in it, to make sure that your needs and requests are taken in account very early in the process, and to start populating Wikidata with words in your language!

Here’s how you can try lexicographical data on Wikidata:

• First of all, if you’re not familiar with the data model, I encourage you to have a look at the documentation page. If you’re not familiar with Wikidata at all, I suggest this page as a start point.
• You can also look at the Lexemes that already exists (search features will be improved in the future).
• When you feel ready to create a word, go on d:Special:NewLexeme.
• If some properties that you need are missing, you can suggest them on this page (if you’re not sure how to do it, just let a message on the talk page and someone will help you).
• The main discussion page is d:Wikidata:Lexicographical data. Here, you can ask for help, suggest ways to organize the data, but also leave feedback: if you encounter any bug or issue, let us know. We’re looking especially to know what are the most important features for you to be worked on next.

In any case, feel free to contact me if you have a question or problem, I’ll be very happy to help.

Cheers, Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 12:20, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Request for importer tool

Hi. I would like to use the import tool to import pages from the Move to Wiktionary category to here. However, Wiktionary:Transwiki importers says that I need to gain a local consensus before requesting the tool on Meta. I have plenty of experience despite taking a recent one-month Wikibreak. Thanks. Pkbwcgs (talk) 09:02, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

It's fine with me.--Brett (talk) 12:21, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Okay. Pkbwcgs (talk) 16:12, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Support temporary importer. I don't see any reason to keep permanent importer. Hiàn (talk) 19:57, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Another note, how long do you plan to have the flag? Hiàn (talk) 19:58, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

@Hiàn: Hi. I will have the flag for three months. Pkbwcgs (talk) 16:13, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

@Pkbwcgs: Is there any particular reason why you decided to request the flag before telling us this information? Hiàn (talk) 03:32, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

@Hiàn: Can you please clarify your above comment. What information is required? A steward has already assigned the flag before I said that 'I will have the flag for three months'. Pkbwcgs (talk) 06:46, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

@Pkbwcgs: What I'm saying is that you should have told us how long the flag would have been implemented before you made the request to the stewards. The fact that you withheld this information until after you were granted the flag is a great disservice to the community, and to me, rather concerning. Hiàn (talk) 22:38, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Oh, please! The oversight is minor and the stakes even less. It's hardly a "great disservice". Let it be.--Brett (talk) 00:01, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Will do. I still see quite a few issues with this. Hiàn (talk) 00:38, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

At first, I didn't suggest a timeframe for how long I wanted this flag. A steward suggested that could assign it for three months and I said that is fine. Pkbwcgs (talk) 06:44, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Apologies to you both. I blew the situation out of proportion without taking into consideration other things. Hiàn (talk) 00:55, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Admirably said, Hiàn!--Brett (talk) 02:05, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Update on page issues on mobile web

Update on page issues on mobile web

Please help translate to your language Hi everyone. The Readers web team has recently begun working on exposing issue templates on the mobile website. Currently, details about issues with page content are generally hidden on the mobile website. This leaves readers unaware of the reliability of the pages they are reading. The goal of this project is to improve awareness of particular issues within an article on the mobile web. We will do this by changing the visual styling of page issues.

So far, we have drafted a proposal on the design and implementation of the project. We were also able to run user testing on the proposed designs. The tests so far have positive results. Here is a quick summary of what we learned:

• The new treatment increases awareness of page issues among participants. This is true particularly when they are in a more evaluative/critical mode.
• Page issues make sense to readers and they understand how they work
• Readers care about page issues and consider them important
• Readers had overwhelmingly positive sentiments towards Wikipedia associated with learning about page issues

Our next step would be to start implementing these changes. We wanted to reach out to you for any concerns, thoughts, and suggestions you might have before beginning development. Please visit the project page where we have more information and mockups of how this may look. Please leave feedback on the talk page.

CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 20:58, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Proposal on Meta about SE Wikipedia

Hi all. If you haven't seen or commented already, please see meta:Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Simple English Wikipedia (3). It details a proposal to close down the Simple English Wikipedia, which will almost definitely affect this wiki. Hiàn (talk) 21:56, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

I don't know about the state of SE Wiki, but I don't think it would be a bad thing to close this wiki if I understand what closure means. Doesn't it just mean most folks can't edit it? If so, that would save me doing all the pointless deletions and reversions. We've got entries for most pages that somebody would want in Simple English. For other things, they can go to the regular English wiktionary.--Brett (talk) 00:11, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, closure means all editors except stewards can edit. Not sure I agree with the point you made about closure, but definitely something worth noting. Hiàn (talk) 21:48, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

FWIW, I'll mention that as along as SE Wikipedia stays open, this project is protected from closure. If it does nothing else, this project is a repository for definitions of terms where (a) SE Wikipedia doesn't have an article (yet, and perhaps not for a while), but (b) the term itself is outside the boundaries of "Simple English" and needs explanation. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:16, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Update: Proposal was closed as unsuccessful, and both projects will stay open. For additional details, see w:Talk:Main Page#Update (1 August 2018). StevenJ81 (talk) 17:35, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Global preferences are available

Global preferences are now available, you can set them by visiting your new global preferences page. Visit mediawiki.org for information on how to use them and leave feedback. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk)

19:19, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

New user group for editing sitewide CSS / JS

(Please help translate to your language)

Hi all!

To improve the security of our readers and editors, permission handling for CSS/JS pages has changed. (These are pages like MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Vector.js which contain code that is executed in the browsers of users of the site.) A new user group, interface-admin, has been created. Starting four weeks from now, only members of this group will be able edit CSS/JS pages that they do not own (that is, any page ending with .css or .js that is either in the MediaWiki: namespace or is another user's user subpage).

You can learn more about the motivation behind the change here.

Please add users who need to edit CSS/JS to the new group (this can be done the same way new administrators are added, by stewards or local bureaucrats). This is a dangerous permission; a malicious user or a hacker taking over the account of a careless interface-admin can abuse it in far worse ways than admin permissions could be abused. Please only assign it to users who need it, who are trusted by the community, and who follow common basic password and computer security practices (use strong passwords, do not reuse passwords, use two-factor authentication if possible, do not install software of questionable origin on your machine, use antivirus software if that's a standard thing in your environment).

Thanks!
Tgr (talk) 17:45, 30 July 2018 (UTC) (via global message delivery)

I forget, do we have a policy for this yet? And if not, we need one, don't we? Hiàn (talk/_{editing on mobile account}) 23:47, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Wiktionary Cognate Dashboard

Screenshot of the Hub view

Sorry for writing this message in English. Feel free to help translate it below.

Hello all,

A few months ago, we asked you for feedback about Cognate, the system allowing interwikilinks between Wiktionaries (on main namespace). Several community members gave some suggestions, one of them was to provide statistics about these interwikilinks.

The Wikidata team is pleased to present you the Wiktionary Cognate Dashboard, a website presenting a lot of interesting information about how Wiktionaries are connected to each others. You can find there, for example:

• the most interlinked Wiktionary entries not having a page on your Wiktionary
• the number of interlinks between each possible pair of Wiktionaries
• visualizations of the relationships between different Wiktionaries

To learn more about the tool, you can have a look at the documentation (please help us translating it in your language!). The interface of the tool itself can also be translated in other languages by using this page.

If you find a bug, please let a comment on this Phabricator task or ping me onwiki. Thanks a lot, Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 13:08, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Proposal to delete Simple English Wikiquote and Wikibooks

There is a now a proposal to delete Simple English Wikiquote and Wikibooks. Agusbou2015 (talk) 22:20, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Proposal withdrawn, and the projects will not be deleted. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:49, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Editing of sitewide CSS/JS is only possible for interface administrators from now

(Please help translate to your language)

Hi all,

as announced previously, permission handling for CSS/JS pages has changed: only members of the interface-admin (Interface administrators) group, and a few highly privileged global groups such as stewards, can edit CSS/JS pages that they do not own (that is, any page ending with .css or .js that is either in the MediaWiki: namespace or is another user's user subpage). This is done to improve the security of readers and editors of Wikimedia projects. More information is available at Creation of separate user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS. If you encounter any unexpected problems, please contact me or file a bug.

Thanks!
Tgr (talk) 12:40, 27 August 2018 (UTC) (via global message delivery)

so who grants the user groups? Tyler de Noche (talk) 14:37, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

@Tyler de Noche: The bureaucrats will, although we don't exactly have a policy at the moment. Hiàn (talk) 20:19, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

ok then. Tyler de Noche (talk) 20:46, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Read-only mode for up to an hour on 12 September and 10 October

Read this message in another language • Please help translate to your language

The Wikimedia Foundation will be testing its secondary data centre. This will make sure that Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia wikis can stay online even after a disaster. To make sure everything is working, the Wikimedia Technology department needs to do a planned test. This test will show if they can reliably switch from one data centre to the other. It requires many teams to prepare for the test and to be available to fix any unexpected problems.

They will switch all traffic to the secondary data center on Wednesday, 12 September 2018. On Wednesday, 10 October 2018, they will switch back to the primary data center.

Unfortunately, because of some limitations in MediaWiki, all editing must stop when we switch. We apologize for this disruption, and we are working to minimize it in the future.

You will be able to read, but not edit, all wikis for a short period of time.

• You will not be able to edit for up to an hour on Wednesday, 12 September and Wednesday, 10 October. The test will start at 14:00 UTC (15:00 BST, 16:00 CEST, 10:00 EDT, 07:00 PDT, 23:00 JST, and in New Zealand at 02:00 NZST on Thursday 13 September and Thursday 11 October).
• If you try to edit or save during these times, you will see an error message. We hope that no edits will be lost during these minutes, but we can't guarantee it. If you see the error message, then please wait until everything is back to normal. Then you should be able to save your edit. But, we recommend that you make a copy of your changes first, just in case.

Other effects:

• Background jobs will be slower and some may be dropped. Red links might not be updated as quickly as normal. If you create an article that is already linked somewhere else, the link will stay red longer than usual. Some long-running scripts will have to be stopped.
• There will be code freezes for the weeks of 10 September 2018 and 8 October 2018. Non-essential code deployments will not happen.

This project may be postponed if necessary. You can read the schedule at wikitech.wikimedia.org. Any changes will be announced in the schedule. There will be more notifications about this. Please share this information with your community. /User:Johan(WMF) (talk)

13:33, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Draft page for interface administrator permissions

Hi all, I'll be working on a draft for the next few days for the interface administrator user rights. Community input is absolutely essential and I'd appreciate comments or suggestions. Hiàn (talk) 00:50, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

I think your draft looks good. I'll add something maybe after wards. Tyler de Noche (talk) 23:43, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

now, the page is published at Wiktionary:Interface administrators. Tyler de Noche (talk) 22:37, 4 October 2018 (UTC)