Talk:when
Part of speech[change]
Since when is this a preposition? DCDuring (talk) 11:08, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
- It's been listed as such here since 2007. See the Cambridge Grammar of the English Language chapter 7 section 2.4 (from p 612) for rationale.--Brett (talk) 16:59, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
- I believe DCDuring is asking this because enwikt does not have it listed as a preposition see here. Griffinofwales (talk) 17:01, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
- We differ in a number of ways from enwikt.--Brett (talk) 17:03, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
- I had read the CGEL passage. And how would one analyze "when" as a preposition in "Since when is it a preposition?"? As a zero-preposition following the preposition "since"?
- For that matter, how do the definitions and PoS fit: "I was walking down the street when Ned Bryerson comes over and starts talking." DCDuring (talk) 18:45, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
- I thought you probably had... And yes, I noticed the double entendre of your question. Indeed, since already takes PPs as complements (e.g., since before the revolution), so it's no stretch to get since when.
- In your last example, when is a preposition taking clausal complements. None of the definitions really fit though. It's more like and then, isn't it.--Brett (talk) 00:58, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
- Either "and then" or it is a role reversal of preceding and following. The preceding is the subordinate and the following the main and the gloss something like "whereupon", "whereafter". I have had trouble find a gloss anywhere. I can find it in many narratives with a progressive aspect verb in the preceding clause. DCDuring (talk) 06:08, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
- I don't see the reversal. Whereupon and whereafter would also be prepositions with clausal complements, and I think they would be suitable glosses.--Brett (talk) 12:48, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
- Either "and then" or it is a role reversal of preceding and following. The preceding is the subordinate and the following the main and the gloss something like "whereupon", "whereafter". I have had trouble find a gloss anywhere. I can find it in many narratives with a progressive aspect verb in the preceding clause. DCDuring (talk) 06:08, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
- We differ in a number of ways from enwikt.--Brett (talk) 17:03, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
- I believe DCDuring is asking this because enwikt does not have it listed as a preposition see here. Griffinofwales (talk) 17:01, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
@Victor Bob: What is your basis for the pronoun analysis?--Brett (talk) 13:24, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- In the sentence When was the last time you went to your local library?, when is a pronoun in subject function and the last time you went to your local library is a specifying complement of the copula.
——Victor Bob (talk) 13:37, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- At 9:00 on Sunday was the last time I went to my local library.
- Home was the last place I wanted to be.
- Here was the last place I wanted to be.
- Under her gaze was the last place I wanted to be.
- At the beginning was the right place to start.
--Brett (talk) 14:12, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
- I see. They are instances of subject-dependent inversion. Victor Bob (talk) 14:14, 22 August 2023 (UTC)