Template talk:BNC1HW

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If we're talking about tweaking the template, I'd prefer "{{PAGENAME}} is one of the 1000 most common headwords." I like the word ordering better and I think we shouldn't assume people know what "headword" means. · Tygrrr... 18:51, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree that this is better than what we have.--Brett 20:21, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Missing arguments

When TBC added the extra arguments to the BNC template, what was supposed to fill them? Right now we've got hundreds of words that don't render right because of the missing arguments. This morning, Tholly has started adding words that precede and follow the words alphabetically. Is this what we want? Is it useful? Why would we want this kind of browseability for BNC1 words in particular?

It seems to me that if we're going to have the arguments, they should be filled by words that precede or follow in terms of frequency (since the BNC1000 is mark of frequency).

But I'm not convinced that we need these arguments at all. What do others think?--Brett 12:59, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I didn't know why they were there (haven't edited here before, I'm a Wikipedia person), but started filling them in as they looked ugly as it was. There are a lot to do though, I don't know whether a bot could do it with a list of the words, but you don't seem to have many bots here. - tholly ^--Talk-- 13:07, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'm not sure why they're there either. And, yes, as you have noticed, we're a little low on manpower & botpower. But thanks for chipping in.--Brett 13:11, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

For now, I've changed the template so that the {{{1}}} and {{{2}}} parameters only show if there's something in them. That will make the pages look nicer and the adding words less urgent. - tholly ^--Talk-- 13:13, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

The EN Wiktionary has a similar template, en:Template:rank, which does include preceding and following words, though by numerical order and not alphabetically. Oh, and thanks tholly for fixing the parameters. :) --TBC 22:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I think it only makes sense to use frequency number, but the frequency order would be difficult to calculate. Nation didn't publish the word-by-word details, just the lists. The corpus is tagged by lemma, but the list is constructed to included not just the lemma, but all the regularly inflected and derived forms as well.--Brett 00:55, 12 August 2008 (UTC)